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How native speakers pronounce “mattis”

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uh view and his behavior as dangerous and  in need of a check whether it is John Kelly   um or James Mattis or on and on and on. Uh  there are people who were opposed to his agenda.   There were also people who believed that  he was trying to exceed his authority,  

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell - June 22 | Audio Only

Example sentences

uh view and his behavior as dangerous and  in need of a check whether it is John Kelly   um or James Mattis or on and on and on. Uh  there are people who were opposed to his agenda.   There were also people who believed that  he was trying to exceed his authority,  

The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell - June 22 | Audio Only